🦄 Domestic consequences of the 2024 US presidential election: the quickening

Soothsayer786

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The media online is generally ignoring Trump's constitutional crises-es as a top headline. Or they use soft language As of 8:37pm

NYTimes Top: U.S. to Freeze $2.2 Billion for Harvard After It Defies Trump (um, important, but not top line)
NYTimes 1/2 way down: U.S. and El Salvador Won’t Return Man Who Was Mistakenly Deported (soft language)
WaPo Top: Bukele says he won’t return man wrongly deported to El Salvador (um this is Trump's issue here not Bukele)
WaPo 2nd: Trump says he’s open to sending U.S. citizens to Salvadoran prison if they commit violent acts (soft language)
NPR Top: Americans impacted by 2024 natural disasters may qualify for extension to file taxes (really top line NPR?)
NPR way down: El Salvador's Bukele says 'preposterous' to suggest he return Abrego Garcia to U.S. (the ownness on this?? not Bukele)
CNN Top: Trump administration announces Harvard funding freeze of $2.2B (um, important, but not top line)
CNN 2nd: White House: Man mistakenly deported to El Salvador won’t be returned to US (soft language)
CNN 3rd: Trump says he's open to deporting "homegrown" criminals to El Salvador (soft language)
MSNBC Top: Trump and Bukele must think Americans are either ignorant or incredibly gullible (I mean sure, but gravity of the issue?)
BBC Top: El Salvador's leader will not return man deported from the US in error (soft language)

The ONLY major I see that is putting the weight of what is going on is the Atlantic: The Constitutional Crisis Is Here

You get the picture. This is a f'n constitutional crisis the likes we have never seen in the US. Now between this and the AP News ruling, we have multiple cases that the SCOTUS has ruled on that the WH is ignoring. The rule of law is completely gone. In it's place a despot bent on revenge and self enrichment.
I was just getting pissed off about this again myself after seeing CNN's latest on it at the moment:

Trump’s expansive interpretation of the law and even invention of presidential powers is causing alarm

Oh, thanks CNN. He is causing "alarm". You worthless, worthless excuse for a member of the press. The alarm came years ago. This is the crisis. He's in the oval office making plans to ship American citizens off to an El Salvadoran hell hole and the best CNN can muster is some god damn "alarm"?
 

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There will ya lag around that. Expensive and non refundable, or only partially refundable airfares and whatever other expenses make up the trip, too late to relocate conferences, etc will still keep people in earlier travel commitments.

Expect trips and events that would be in the organization phase now to be "reorganized" to other countries going forward.
Actual passenger numbers from EU countries have dipped by 30% already! As you say, give it another 6 months for non-refundable fares to flush out of the system.
 

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To tie this into the "flee" thread, I hope they don't end up doing something that would lead to making travel to Europe difficult. I'm improving my German little by little for when the day comes.
If the US's percentage of some infectious diseases crosses a threshold, you may start to be asked for a sanitary passport (negative tests and proof of vaccination) to travel to Europe.
And given how RFKjr is handling vaccination in the US, that might not take long.
 
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Question about the potential voting policy which states that you have to prove citizenship to vote (the "SAVE Act").

Given marital status leanings, it seems ostensibly true that this would disproportionately affect conservative women vs liberal women.

Am I thinking about this wrong?
https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...xual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/

Consider it from the point of a Christian fascist who wants to disenfranchise women in general and move to a household franchise where each household has one vote which is directed by the paterfamilias.

Won't matter what voting tendency women have if only their father or husband has the vote.
 

Happysin

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To tie this into the "flee" thread, I hope they don't end up doing something that would lead to making travel to Europe difficult. I'm improving my German little by little for when the day comes.
I told my wife point-blank the next obvious step is exactly to make it harder for Americans to leave. It's most certainly added a lot of tension to both our upcoming trip and our efforts to move entirely.
 

Yagisama

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I told my wife point-blank the next obvious step is exactly to make it harder for Americans to leave. It's most certainly added a lot of tension to both our upcoming trip and our efforts to move entirely.

That's exactly what I'm worried about. We're slowly collecting some Yen paper money too but definitely not in significant amounts.
 

Happysin

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If the US's percentage of some infectious diseases crosses a threshold, you may start to be asked for a sanitary passport (negative tests and proof of vaccinaiton) to travel to Europe.
And given how RFKjr is handling vaccination in the US, that might not take long.
I would recommend anyone planning on traveling out of the US to get your vaccine passport (aka the Yellow Card) ready now and start booking with your local clinic some of the extra vaccines you might need to travel. On top of what we used to call the "normal" vaccine regimen in the US, I have hepatitis, yellow fever, and Tdap vaccines for example. We literally do not know if something is going to happen to these supply chains, or if the CDC is going to stop issuing yellow cards, or what.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/destinations/list

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/vaccine-guide
 
If the US's percentage of some infectious diseases crosses a threshold, you may start to be asked for a sanitary passport (negative tests and proof of vaccinaiton) to travel to Europe.
And given how RFKjr is handling vaccination in the US, that might not take long.
I said the same thing a while back but got poo pooed by someone in return. Was never going to happen.
 

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I said voting for Donald Trump was a vote for fascism and got disowned by 1/3 my family.
Feels like a bargain to me - one comment and 1/3rd less Christmas and birthday cards and presents !

I lost contact with several members of my family over their adoration of Maggie and it has been lovely - and ~45 years now since I spoke to them......
 

herko

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Excuse me, stewardess, I speak liar lawyer.

The only way you can be regularly and randomly tested is if you have two testing regimes. A random thing cannot yield a regular outcome. So, regularly: once every 17,000 years is a regular schedule. Randomly: we've just never drawn Elon's number. He has never failed a test because whaddayaknow, never had one.


It rarely starts with death camps.
Someone's going to do the math, decide that ($6m/300 =$20k/person) is way too much to house 'bad guys' and they should just... dispose of them. Remember Trump looking wistfully at Duterte's extrajudicial executions in the Philippines? Hey presto, now we've got death camps in the interest of "saving taxpayer dollars."

I can feel it in my Jewish bones.
 

VividVerism

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Question about the potential voting policy which states that you have to prove citizenship to vote (the "SAVE Act").

Given marital status leanings, it seems ostensibly true that this would disproportionately affect conservative women vs liberal women.

Am I thinking about this wrong?
https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...xual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/
I can't actually think of any liberal women I personally know who have married and kept their own last name. I think you're right that this decision would be biased towards liberals, but I don't think the numbers are very large. And most of the women I know, liberal or otherwise, have in fact married by the time they leave their late 20s or so. Anecdotal, but it's still the dominant culture in the US for straight women to marry and take their husband's last name.

Although now that I think of it, there are probably significantly more queer women who lean liberal, which might be enough to tip the scales if they start disenfranchising straight married women.
 
In short? The “article” the Whitehouse published, the press messaging, that joke of a committee hearing on PBS/NPR that Marjorie Taylor Greene was sitting on, and the recissions package eliminating a lot of their funding is all just the cloak of respectability - I fully expect PBS and NPR to effectively disappear in the not-too-distant future; this is all just a precursor to that. Regardless of whether Congress approves or not.
CPB receives roughly 1/3 of revenues through the executive congress. In addition, the money coming from corporate donors has been cut in 1/2 since Trump's first term. While this looks pretty grim for NPR and/or PBS, individual contributors could make up the difference. If the average contributions from viewers increased to 400% from 2022, it would be enough to offset the losses from corporate donors and federal funding.

They don't ask for much and what they provide is a good value. That said, I don't believe there are enough viewers willing to pay in order to keep this public service in operation.
 
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Happysin

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I can't actually think of any liberal women I personally know who have married and kept their own last name. I think you're right that this decision would be biased towards liberals, but I don't think the numbers are very large. And most of the women I know, liberal or otherwise, have in fact married by the time they leave their late 20s or so. Anecdotal, but it's still the dominant culture in the US for straight women to marry and take their husband's last name.

Although now that I think of it, there are probably significantly more queer women who lean liberal, which might be enough to tip the scales if they start disenfranchising straight married women.
Pew has some stats on it. It does trend with liberalism and degree of education, but still dramatically is tilted toward "take your husband's name"

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...iages-say-they-took-their-husbands-last-name/

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CPB receives roughly 1/3 of revenues through the executive congress. In addition, the money coming from corporate donors has been cut in 1/2 since Trump's first term. While this looks pretty grim for NPR and/or PBS, individual contributors could make up the difference. If the average contributions from viewers increased to 400% from 2022, it would be enough to offset the losses from corporate donors and federal funding.

They don't ask for much and what they provide is a good value. That said, I don't believe there are enough viewers willing to pay in order to keep this public service in operation.
Hence the ‘effectively’ disappear part of my statement. PBS? That’s a tall ask, I think. But NPR? I can see a dwindling number of member stations as they Move away from any government funding.
 

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Pew has some stats on it. It does trend with liberalism and degree of education, but still dramatically is tilted toward "take your husband's name"

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-r...iages-say-they-took-their-husbands-last-name/

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A 2:1 ratio of dem:rep women choosing to keep their last name is way more than I expected, thanks for the data to disprove my anecdotal evidence!

I guess that only turns out to something like 5% vs. 2.5% of married heterosexuals as a whole...and then a quick Google search shows just under half of households are "headed by married couples" (who may not be heterosexual). So generously that 2.5% difference drops to closer to a 0.6% difference (half, and then half again because a married household would have at least two voters).

Not earth shattering but maybe enough to swing some close elections in key states.
 

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I just read the actual shakedown letter which the Trump administration sent to Harvard. If you're not normally one to investigate source links I'd really implore you to make an exception and read this one. The President of the United States is essentially demanding conservative DEI, and to install political commissars in every single wing of the university. In the same sentence it decries conservative "deplatforming" and also demands the ability to remove students from group demonstrations. It asks to establish a whistleblower portal where any Harvard student can report directly to the Federal government when they see melanin. It asks Harvard to retroactively expel any student who participated in a Gaza protest over the last three years, and to submit to a full financial forensic examination on a quarterly basis. There's even a mask ban in there (not applicable to ICE or the FBI or Proud Boys, surely). It's a staggering read that reveals the GOP's new fascist reality in open view.

Not that it compares to the US government rendering innocent citizens to foreign torture gulags for the crime of not being white, in terms of absolute moral heinousness, but it's another log on the pyre.
 

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Cybersecurity industry falls silent as Trump turns ire on SentinelOne

Trump on Wednesday ordered the cancellation of security clearances of SentinelOne (S.N), opens new tab executives and employees, part of a campaign to use the might of the U.S. government to crush his political opponents.

SentinelOne's offense was hiring former Trump appointee Chris Krebs as chief intelligence and public policy officer. Krebs served as the first director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, the U.S. civilian cyber defense agency, but he enraged Trump in November 2020 by refusing to endorse the bogus claim that Democrat Joe Biden stole the presidential election. The move led to Trump firing him over Twitter.

In a White House memo explaining the move, Trump accused Krebs, a Republican, of having "suppressed conservative viewpoints." The memo provided no evidence and did not explain why SentinelOne had anything to do with the matter. CISA referred questions to the White House, which did not return an email seeking comment.

Krebs' refusal to back Trump's false election claims made him a hero in Washington cyber circles. Following a 2021 appearance at an information security conference, organizers handed Krebs a flight jacket bearing the words, "FIRED BY TWEET."

A few days old at this point, but I didn't see any other posts about it when searching. Anyway, more blatant weaponization of security clearances against enemies of the regime while everyone adjacent is cowed into turning a blind eye. Shocked but not that shocked Ars hasn't even touched it at all yet.
 

herko

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That is a filthy Euro-solution. The proper thing is to pull from US history--permanent slavery for them and any offspring they have.
Yes, under the benevolent watch of their superiors. They would be better off that way.

If you need me to /s this, here it is: /s
 

herko

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All these news organizations, businesses, and other individuals who are keeping silent and hopes to stay under the radar, I hate to tell you guys, but it doesn’t end well for you either.
It's The Eye of Sauron as political theory. If it settles on you, sure, you're in big trouble Right Now. Otherwise, you get to breathe until he conquers everything, then you're just in as much trouble.

The only move is to oppose it with an iron will.
 

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All these news organizations, businesses, and other individuals who are keeping silent and hopes to stay under the radar, I hate to tell you guys, but it doesn’t end well for you either.

The classic phrasing I believe is you either fight on your feet or die on your knees.
 

GohanIYIan

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All these news organizations, businesses, and other individuals who are keeping silent and hopes to stay under the radar, I hate to tell you guys, but it doesn’t end well for you either.
Which news organizations are keeping silent? We're learning about all this stuff through the news media.
 

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I remember Ted Cruz calling Sesame Street propaganda when Big Bird was trying to promote Covid vaccines. Well here it is.

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Wonder what he thinks of the “Trump tracts” peddled for kids on Fox News? Those truly scare me.
 

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If I remember correctly, Soviet Union has "party/thought officers" for each military units, as well as "companies/factories/etc.". I do not remember if Nazi did that or not. I would assume they did as well.
Leadership officers, in Nazi Germany it was "leadership officers". Though, in English, the typical term would probably be "political officer".
 
Yes, but there is a fair bit of difference between spewing obvious disinformation on Twitter and actually moving to defund a beloved show that was a big part of the formative years of three generations.
Is now a bad time to tell you that Warner Brothers Discovery killed Sesame Street last year?

Even better: make them work in those camps until they drop dead.
And claim that Work will Set Them Free?

Yeah, probably. I'm kinda way past cynicism at this point.
We're on the path. First, you deport and exclude the undesirables, do some round-ups, jail the ones you have excuses to and turn a blind eye to the ones you don't. Next up, well just imprisoning them both (a) drains the labor pool and (b) means paying for them to just stand there, so better to make them work. Good for the soul*, and all that. When you find that slave labor is really unsuited to things like, IDK, installing teeny components into smartphones? Gotta find some solution, preferably once and for all. Intersperse with violent cruelty throughout.

It's not a fun time to have done any formal studies on genocide.

*ed: I can't tell you how many interviews I've heard where the subject says something along the lines of, "Work gives life meaning." They're usually A-types whose job is their driving passion, and more often than not haven't done a lick of labor in decades. Brother, I hate to inform you, but some of us derive meaning from life that has nothing to do with what's necessary for our survival.
 

Lt_Storm

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I just read the actual shakedown letter which the Trump administration sent to Harvard. If you're not normally one to investigate source links I'd really implore you to make an exception and read this one. The President of the United States is essentially demanding conservative DEI, and to install political commissars in every single wing of the university. In the same sentence it decries conservative "deplatforming" and also demands the ability to remove students from group demonstrations. It asks to establish a whistleblower portal where any Harvard student can report directly to the Federal government when they see melanin. It asks Harvard to retroactively expel any student who participated in a Gaza protest over the last three years, and to submit to a full financial forensic examination on a quarterly basis. There's even a mask ban in there (not applicable to ICE or the FBI or Proud Boys, surely). It's a staggering read that reveals the GOP's new fascist reality in open view.

Not that it compares to the US government rendering innocent citizens to foreign torture gulags for the crime of not being white, in terms of absolute moral heinousness, but it's another log on the pyre.
I wish I could agree that this is "in open view" but, realistically that fascist reality is only written between the lines. To anyone who doesn't already think that their fascist agenda exists and is fascist, this will read much differently.

Also, yes they object to deplatforming and protest in one breath, after all, deplatforming happens when the University invites a infamous bigot to speak and the students, unwilling to have it, host a protest. The point is that students shouldn't have the power here (political officers should, but you have to read between the lines to conclude thus).
 

Lt_Storm

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Is now a bad time to tell you that Warner Brothers Discovery killed Sesame Street last year?
No they didn't, they don't own the rights, so they can't actually kill it. They effectively put it on life support, hopefully someone else will decide to air new episodes, but it isn't dead yet.
 

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After ICE Agents Realized They Arrested the Wrong Teen in N.Y.C., They Were Told to 'Take Him Anyway'


Merwil Gutiérrez, 19, was deported to El Salvador despite his family’s claims that he has no criminal record or gang affiliation.

Despite allegedly admitting that 19-year-old Merwil Gutiérrez was not their intended target, ICE agents in New York City decided to “take him anyway.”

On Feb. 24, Merwil and two friends were outside his apartment building in the Bronx when they were detained by the immigration officials.

"The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building," Merwil’s father, Wilmer Gutiérrez, told Documented, before claiming, "One said, 'No, he's not the one,' like they were looking for someone else. But the other said, 'Take him anyway.' "

Weeks later, Wilmer was able to speak to his son on the phone, who told him that he was being held in Pennsylvania and expected to be sent back to his native Venezuela. However, he was ultimately transported to CECOT, the super prison in El Salvador that the U.S. contracted to house deported immigrants.

You know you do not have the right person but decide a presumably one-way trip to a foreign, shithole prison for the wrong person means you will not have wasted your time by finding nobody.

How do you live with yourself? How do you look in the mirror each morning and say to yourself you are a decent person?

Unlike Nazis, nothing prevents you from quitting and finding a job which does not rot your soul (meant in the mental, not spiritual sense, though for those that believe in souls, it has to be harmful spiritually as well).

It will not happen, but honestly, they need to be prosecuted for violating a person's civil rights....

...well, they need more than that, but they need at least that.